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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Nov 11, 2019 17:04:56 GMT -6
Outer road at Hwy K a complete disaster - Cars cannot get up the hills....No treatment - Are you kidding me? Gonna be a lot of angry people Outer road for I-70 or for MO 364? |
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Post by TK on Nov 11, 2019 17:09:32 GMT -6
Outer road at Hwy K a complete disaster - Cars cannot get up the hills....No treatment - Are you kidding me? Gonna be a lot of angry people Outer road for I-70 or for MO 364? 364 and outer road - Unreal...I understand slushy/icy conditions but there is absolutely no way anyone overforecasted this. This is moderate event at minimum....Temps with sleet toward end was a killer |
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Post by TK on Nov 11, 2019 17:11:09 GMT -6
Outer road for I-70 or for MO 364? 364 and outer road - Unreal...I understand slushy/icy conditions but there is absolutely no way anyone overforecasted this. This is moderate event at minimum....Temps with sleet toward end was a killer I think Chris was the only one who came close but by then it was too late |
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Post by Chris Higgins on Nov 11, 2019 17:12:56 GMT -6
As for this storm... a weird one. It is not often we get what is essentially a 100% cold frontal, frontogenesis driven snow...especially one that sticks so quickly after being in the 60s two days in a row! The mesoscale models did a nice job catching on to the banding...but as expected they did a poor job of placing leaving me with little confidence on where to emphasize a higher threat of enhanced snow. I opted for "Dusting to 2 inches" ...to get in the neighborhood...but that will be a little skimpy for folks up north and eadt. but I did mention icy/slushy roads for this afternoon and evening...and a rough PM drive... so I get partial credit there. FYI... Lambert is at 1.3 inches... breaking the record of 1911! Sorry Chris- There is a big difference between slushy and ice sheet covered...Very dangerous Up until about 4pm, all was just wet on main roads. I cannot help it if Modot cant figure out how to habdle 1 to 2 inches of snow that fell over 6 hours on roads that were well above freezing. Thats on them... not the forecasters. There were no suprises with temps, winds and really not much with the snow amounts. I can only forecast the weather. Modot has to act on those forecasts...and it seems they regularly have trouble doing so. |
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Post by Snowman99 on Nov 11, 2019 17:13:07 GMT -6
Today's record snow breaks a record set during one of the most historic weather events in St. Louis history! The single greatest temperature drop EVER in a single day... 60 degrees. A day that produced (at the time) both a record high and low temperature. I remember it like it was yesterday. |
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Post by Chris Higgins on Nov 11, 2019 17:13:45 GMT -6
364 and outer road - Unreal...I understand slushy/icy conditions but there is absolutely no way anyone overforecasted this. This is moderate event at minimum....Temps with sleet toward end was a killer I think Chris was the only one who came close but by then it was too late Most other outlets I heard were saying "grassy surfaces only" |
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Post by cozpregon on Nov 11, 2019 17:16:27 GMT -6
Sorry Chris- There is a big difference between slushy and ice sheet covered...Very dangerous Up until about 4pm, all was just wet on main roads. I cannot help it if Modot cant figure out how to habdle 1 to 2 inches of snow that fell over 6 hours on roads that were well above freezing. Thats on them... not the forecasters. There were no suprises with temps, winds and really not much with the snow amounts. I can only forecast the weather. Modot has to act on those forecasts...and it seems they regularly have trouble doing so. Having forecast for them for many years... snow- even light snow- falling temps...especially around rush hour- you just default the forecast for problems. |
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Nov 11, 2019 17:19:27 GMT -6
Just measured 1.1inches..... also Chris your forecast was about as perfect as it could get.... only thing that happened was the sleet cooled the roads a little faster .... which was mentioned that this would be a game changer.... great job Chris and the NWS on this one!!
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Post by Chris Higgins on Nov 11, 2019 17:21:02 GMT -6
Up until about 4pm, all was just wet on main roads. I cannot help it if Modot cant figure out how to habdle 1 to 2 inches of snow that fell over 6 hours on roads that were well above freezing. Thats on them... not the forecasters. There were no suprises with temps, winds and really not much with the snow amounts. I can only forecast the weather. Modot has to act on those forecasts...and it seems they regularly have trouble doing so. Having forecast for them for many years... snow- even light snow- falling temps...especially around rush hour- you just default the forecast for problems. Absolutely... and that gets worse when there is wind. Now, to be fair... MoDot may not have jurisdiction over the road in question...or the outer roads. so I need to pedal my last post back...as it may not have been theirs to treat. |
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Nov 11, 2019 17:22:28 GMT -6
Eyeballing a little over 2“ on my deck. But don't know how much of that blew off the roof.
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Post by cozpregon on Nov 11, 2019 17:24:17 GMT -6
Having forecast for them for many years... snow- even light snow- falling temps...especially around rush hour- you just default the forecast for problems. Absolutely... and that gets worse when there is wind. Now, to be fair... MoDot may not have jurisdiction over the road in question...or the outer roads. so I need to pedal my last post back...as it may not have been theirs to treat. 44 at Antire, 55 and 270 I heard are closed... that's theirs. |
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Post by TK on Nov 11, 2019 17:24:54 GMT -6
Sorry Chris- There is a big difference between slushy and ice sheet covered...Very dangerous Up until about 4pm, all was just wet on main roads. I cannot help it if Modot cant figure out how to habdle 1 to 2 inches of snow that fell over 6 hours on roads that were well above freezing. Thats on them... not the forecasters. There were no suprises with temps, winds and really not much with the snow amounts. I can only forecast the weather. Modot has to act on those forecasts...and it seems they regularly have trouble doing so. Don't mean to point on you Chris - my apologies - You are correct the roads here in St Chuck were completely untreated.... |
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Post by dschreib on Nov 11, 2019 17:26:21 GMT -6
There's a story on how both STL County and MODOT were preparing on another channel's website. They were going to pretreat in the morning, then monitor the situation and be ready to act, to summarize. Uhhh.....
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Post by TK on Nov 11, 2019 17:28:34 GMT -6
I think Chris was the only one who came close but by then it was too late Most other outlets I heard were saying "grassy surfaces only" You are absolutely correct- That's what I get for listening to the masses - Somebody slap me... |
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Post by yypc on Nov 11, 2019 17:30:29 GMT -6
Just drove from chesterfield to affton. 40 was awful. Snowpacked and icy. Traffic was moving at around 5-30mph. Tons of accidents.
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Nov 11, 2019 17:32:34 GMT -6
1.4 inches here just outside of St Clair. Very pretty. Of course I was off today so I got to stay home. Heard a lot of bad things about the highways in Jeffco. Snow has stopped and the colds blowing in. The drive to work at 6am is gonna be chilly.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Nov 11, 2019 17:33:48 GMT -6
Major case of the “tight cheeks” on the way home from work this afternoon. Back to a sleet/snow mix in Perryville now. Should end up with about an inch of stuff. Very impressive for this time of year. Hopefully a sign of things to come!
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Post by jeffcobeeman on Nov 11, 2019 17:38:10 GMT -6
Have to check the school snow pool tomorrow and see if I had a winner! Two categories were date of first snow and amount. I'm going with pbc's measurement since school is in Ballwin. Thanks pbc for the measurement.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Nov 11, 2019 17:42:26 GMT -6
And tip of the cap to the NWS... the advisory and their wording about roads and falling temps was excellent... both last night and today. They hit a home run with their messaging.
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Post by jeffcobeeman on Nov 11, 2019 17:46:20 GMT -6
The wind made it tough to get a good measurement, but I found a few spots to measure. Just went and measured in 4 different places. Looks like 1.75 inches just east of Cedar Hill today!
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Post by Chris Higgins on Nov 11, 2019 18:19:04 GMT -6
Up until about 4pm, all was just wet on main roads. I cannot help it if Modot cant figure out how to habdle 1 to 2 inches of snow that fell over 6 hours on roads that were well above freezing. Thats on them... not the forecasters. There were no suprises with temps, winds and really not much with the snow amounts. I can only forecast the weather. Modot has to act on those forecasts...and it seems they regularly have trouble doing so. Don't mean to point on you Chris - my apologies - You are correct the roads here in St Chuck were completely untreated.... No.. no... no... please dont say sorry for speaking up. i really appreciate that you did. If my forecast or messaging was off...or wasn't received the way I expected/thought it was.. I need to hear that. Sometimes I can get caught inside my own head and what I think I am saying is not what is being heard (does that even make sense?) There is no question roads got worse than messaged. My contention is that it had less to do with the forecast...and more to do with how roads were handled. That is one reason I try hard to stay away from explicitly forecasting road conditions...because while I can predict the weather pretty well... I have no way to understand how roads are going to be treated. I can tell you what will fall on a road...and what may happen if they are not treated...but how street crews will respond is often a mystery. |
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Post by The Commish- Lake St. Louis on Nov 11, 2019 18:19:51 GMT -6
364 from Mid Rivers all the way to 64 was a joke and that is all MODOT. It was a solid sheet of ice and people couldn’t make it up hills and with curves, couldn’t handle the curves, even at 10mph. I’m sorry, no excuses. They didn’t prepare properly.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Nov 11, 2019 18:24:18 GMT -6
364 from Mid Rivers all the way to 64 was a joke and that is all MODOT. It was a solid sheet of ice and people couldn’t make it up hills and with curves, couldn’t handle the curves, even at 10mph. I’m sorry, no excuses. They didn’t prepare properly. Why the heck were they not throwing salt all over the place this afternoon knowing how fast temps were dropping and that the snow wouldnt end until sunset? And most of the 2 or so inches of snow fell this morning!!! Maybe we had another 1/4 to 1/2 this afternoon?  Argh...Im just waiting to throw the forecasters under the bus. |
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Post by padlur on Nov 11, 2019 18:24:33 GMT -6
Can verify PBC, between 2.5 and 3 at locations in front and back 20 minutes ago, kids were out sledding tonight.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Nov 11, 2019 18:31:13 GMT -6
M3.0" storm total in Brighton...a sled worthy snowfall in early/mid-November is impressive not to mention the record cold!
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Post by Jeffmw on Nov 11, 2019 18:38:02 GMT -6
Everyone behave... we are being watched! Who’s watching us? |
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Post by STGOutdoors on Nov 11, 2019 18:39:12 GMT -6
Right at 1.0” here in Perryville with the last of the light snow still falling. Would have liked a bit more but this is remarkable for Nov. 11. The wind and cold truly makes it feel like the dead of winter...we may never see this again this time of year in terms of the cold.
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Post by Snowman99 on Nov 11, 2019 18:40:56 GMT -6
And apparently 1.5" now at Lambert
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Post by perryville on Nov 11, 2019 18:46:05 GMT -6
1st Snow Day of the year tomorrow for down here where no one lives. It looks like the forecast verified almost perfectly with around 1” of sleet/snow in Perryville. Roads deteriorated quickly with the sleet, falling temps and sun starting to set. Veterans Day saved many people the headache of trying to get home safely.
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Post by ndolan387 on Nov 11, 2019 18:57:36 GMT -6
2” here in Wildwood just south of Wildwood Horse Creek Rd.
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Argh...Im just waiting to throw the forecasters under the bus.
