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Post by Snowman99 on Nov 13, 2019 21:06:56 GMT -6
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Nov 13, 2019 21:40:05 GMT -6
Man i feel like i miss so much in here lately. I don't get a lot of time to chat with all u. I transferred jobs back in early Sept. I worked at my previous job for almost 14 yrs. Since i moved to Troy, Mo back in 2016 I've been wanting to eventually switch my job after we bought our first house here. But felt it best to not jump too soon. Anyways i finally got another job. I now work at Bodine which is officially and fully aligning with Toyota in 2020. So might as well say Toyota plant. Just thought I'd share this with all of u. Been wanting to mention it when it was a bit slower in here, but I've been working so much overtime since i started. Anyways here's to a great Winter Season. 🤗 Goodnight all. What city do you work? |
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Nov 13, 2019 21:45:56 GMT -6
Did the NWS post a final snow total graphic?
The preliminary graphic was woefully under reporting along 44/64 and then the Northern 1/2 of St. Clair county and the Southern 1/2 of Madison county.
We had 3" at the minimum in Belleville.
Probably closer to 3.5" before settling.
Downtown STL:
More specifically 16-18th and Cole street had 3.5-4".
I know this because I have been working a restoration job off Cole.
I measured the snow in two places a football field apart off Cole in open grass fields at 530pm the day it snowed and 3.5" was my lowest measurement at one site and the other was 4-4.5".
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Nov 13, 2019 21:57:14 GMT -6
I just looked at the storm reports on the NWS site.
None of my reports were published.
Those preliminary results are from early afternoon on the 11th.
Ugh
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Post by John G -west belleville on Nov 13, 2019 23:07:40 GMT -6
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Nov 13, 2019 23:40:17 GMT -6
KSTL is running -10.3* below normal for the month thus far. Temperatures over the next week look to average a bit below normal. Minus any consecutive blowtorch type warmth days, November should finish well below seasonal values. It would be neat to finish every single month from November through March below normal. I'm not sure we've seen that one within the last 30+ years. There have been very few years where Dec., Jan., and Feb. have all been in the negative departure for temps. I would be shocked if we got that lucky. |
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Nov 14, 2019 1:04:25 GMT -6
Man i feel like i miss so much in here lately. I don't get a lot of time to chat with all u. I transferred jobs back in early Sept. I worked at my previous job for almost 14 yrs. Since i moved to Troy, Mo back in 2016 I've been wanting to eventually switch my job after we bought our first house here. But felt it best to not jump too soon. Anyways i finally got another job. I now work at Bodine which is officially and fully aligning with Toyota in 2020. So might as well say Toyota plant. Just thought I'd share this with all of u. Been wanting to mention it when it was a bit slower in here, but I've been working so much overtime since i started. Anyways here's to a great Winter Season. 🤗 Goodnight all. What city do you work? Troy, Mo |
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Post by REB on Nov 14, 2019 7:37:55 GMT -6
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Post by REB on Nov 14, 2019 7:39:53 GMT -6
I really don't know how to put in pictures. This was St. Marco Square, Venice, on Nov. 3. The beginning of "Acqua Alta". So thankful we were there then rather than now.
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Post by bdgwx on Nov 14, 2019 8:58:35 GMT -6
Did the NWS post a final snow total graphic? The preliminary graphic was woefully under reporting along 44/64 and then the Northern 1/2 of St. Clair county and the Southern 1/2 of Madison county. We had 3" at the minimum in Belleville. Probably closer to 3.5" before settling. Downtown STL: More specifically 16-18th and Cole street had 3.5-4". I know this because I have been working a restoration job off Cole. I measured the snow in two places a football field apart off Cole in open grass fields at 530pm the day it snowed and 3.5" was my lowest measurement at one site and the other was 4-4.5". I never saw a final graphic either. Here's the preliminary one posted for posterity anyway.  |
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Post by jmg378s on Nov 14, 2019 9:44:57 GMT -6
I really don't know how to put in pictures. This was St. Marco Square, Venice, on Nov. 3. The beginning of "Acqua Alta". So thankful we were there then rather than now.
Yeah my understanding is that location in your pic is (or was) completely inundated with water is that right? And many tourist locations are now closed?
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Post by bdgwx on Nov 14, 2019 11:00:07 GMT -6
There are two teams searching for meteorites along Hwy B in Warrenton County south of Pendleton. It is said that Doppler weather radar was used to narrow the search. I'm not sure exactly what the searchers saw in the radar, but this scan is somewhat anomalous. The timing lines up as well since it allows for some fall time after disintegration.  |
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Post by unclesam6 on Nov 14, 2019 11:13:17 GMT -6
impressive to see snowpack still popping up on visible satellite.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Nov 14, 2019 11:19:17 GMT -6
impressive to see snowpack still popping up on visible satellite. Snowcover is hanging tough here. Even with temps a few degrees above freezing |
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Post by STGOutdoors on Nov 14, 2019 11:24:15 GMT -6
There are two teams searching for meteorites along Hwy B in Warrenton County south of Pendleton. It is said that Doppler weather radar was used to narrow the search. I'm not sure exactly what the searchers saw in the radar, but this scan is somewhat anomalous. The timing lines up as well since it allows for some fall time after disintegration. That's pretty awesome. Hopefully someone finds something..I didn't see it from down here, but I've always been fascinated by space rocks and would love to see a fragment of it. |
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Post by ndolan387 on Nov 14, 2019 11:44:48 GMT -6
impressive to see snowpack still popping up on visible satellite. Snowcover is hanging tough here. Even with temps a few degrees above freezing Take Kansas City, MO for example. The solar elevation angle is a little over 14* less on November 14th than March 14th @ 11:45-50am. Therefore, although daylight is around the same for these dates, the solar elevation angle is less for these dates across the Midwest so this may be playing a role in slowing down the melting of our snow. Take 2:30pm CST (Nov) or 3:30pm DST (Mar) time (peak heating hours), the solar elevation angle is around 8* greater on Mar 14 than Nov 14. www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/azel.html |
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Post by weatherj on Nov 14, 2019 12:03:28 GMT -6
After the atmosphere takes a break, does it look like renewed cold anywhere in the extended/ensembles? I know 920 commented on this a few days back, but wondered if things were still looking that way. I'm just really hoping this pattern can re-establish itself this winter and not have used up all the gas early.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Nov 14, 2019 12:13:05 GMT -6
After the atmosphere takes a break, does it look like renewed cold anywhere in the extended/ensembles? I know 920 commented on this a few days back, but wondered if things were still looking that way. I'm just really hoping this pattern can re-establish itself this winter and not have used up all the gas early. I think we will be waiting a bit. The teleconnections are sort of in that middling range right now. It does look like central/western Canada rebuilds a good cold core which is something I'm always watching out for. I think fun times are ahead. To me the overall "look" as we head into actual winter is just cooler. The moderation we are seeing over the next few days to a week really isn't that impressive and only gets us to around normal and perhaps a tad above for a couple days. The overall temp profile over the country just seems cooler to me than years past. I'd love to have that 3-4 week stretch where it doesn't get above freezing and there are several snows in there. I want it to feel like winter for a stretch of time. I remember that happening a couple times in the early 2000's and it was awesome. You felt like you were living up north in a legitimate snowpack. |
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Nov 14, 2019 12:25:35 GMT -6
After the atmosphere takes a break, does it look like renewed cold anywhere in the extended/ensembles? I know 920 commented on this a few days back, but wondered if things were still looking that way. I'm just really hoping this pattern can re-establish itself this winter and not have used up all the gas early. It looks like any deep cold will wait awhile as things become more zonal over North America. Temps still look to be below normal for much of the month thanks to a persistent NW flow over the eastern and central US
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Post by weatherj on Nov 14, 2019 12:33:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the responses guys. I believe we will all take normal to slightly below normal temperatures as our break from deep cold. Especially as we move into the winter season when the cold reloads. It would be great if the deeper cold could come in near Christmas or just before. Hopefully we can get some well timed storms in the mix as well. I agree stg about the cooler look. It seems many years if we do get a stretch of deep cold it's followed by a massive warm up that is much above normal.
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Post by REB on Nov 14, 2019 12:43:28 GMT -6
I really don't know how to put in pictures. This was St. Marco Square, Venice, on Nov. 3. The beginning of "Acqua Alta". So thankful we were there then rather than now.
Yeah my understanding is that location in your pic is (or was) completely inundated with water is that right? And many tourist locations are now closed?
85% of Venice is flooded. There is at least 3 feet of water in the church basement. All of the shops in the square are flooded. It's awful. Worst flooding since 1966 and may surpass that. |
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Post by unclesam6 on Nov 14, 2019 12:52:14 GMT -6
EURO is a no go for December.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Nov 14, 2019 12:54:09 GMT -6
Gfs, ggem, and euro all showing a storm in the day 8/9 range.
It will have to bring its own cold air, but it is the only thing with any winter potential for the next couple weeks.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Nov 14, 2019 13:59:29 GMT -6
There are two teams searching for meteorites along Hwy B in Warrenton County south of Pendleton. It is said that Doppler weather radar was used to narrow the search. I'm not sure exactly what the searchers saw in the radar, but this scan is somewhat anomalous. The timing lines up as well since it allows for some fall time after disintegration. That's pretty awesome. Hopefully someone finds something..I didn't see it from down here, but I've always been fascinated by space rocks and would love to see a fragment of it. Would be interesting to see all the available radar images to see how it reflected and whether any of the trailing debris was picked up by the sweep. |
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Post by bdgwx on Nov 14, 2019 17:20:42 GMT -6
That's pretty awesome. Hopefully someone finds something..I didn't see it from down here, but I've always been fascinated by space rocks and would love to see a fragment of it. Would be interesting to see all the available radar images to see how it reflected and whether any of the trailing debris was picked up by the sweep. There's too much radar data for me to post it all. I researched other WSR-88D meteor debris trail signatures and based on those analogs I'm left with a "meh" opinion on this one. Maybe what I posted is the debris trail and maybe it isn't. The guys from Meteorite Men (TV show) and Washington University were both searching in this area so I don't know. So many trees in that area though... |
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Post by bdgwx on Nov 14, 2019 17:23:36 GMT -6
EURO is a no go for December. Well, I guess it's marginally better than what its showing for the Sierra Nevada region. Maybe Flagstaff, AZ is the place to be this year again. They had that 3' storm last year. |
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Nov 15, 2019 6:46:22 GMT -6
Little bit of hoar frost this morning...19*
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Post by cardsnweather on Nov 15, 2019 9:48:37 GMT -6
I feel like this is setting up just like last year. Fun November surprise and then nothing until January.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Nov 15, 2019 10:41:02 GMT -6
There is some potential next week at this time if the lead wave being modeled comes out quicker and weaker. This will bring cold enough air into place and allow the trailing wave to amplify.
It’s a <5% type deal, but we have seen this trend as recently as Halloween.
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Post by ajd446 on Nov 15, 2019 11:20:23 GMT -6
I hope its mild umtil christmas. I would love a couple 60 amd 70 degree days to get all the yard clean ups done. Being in the snow removal industry. Snow just sucks for us. For the first time in my career I hope we do not get much snow. There is much more money in landscape work than snow removal.
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