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Post by showtime - Marissa on Nov 12, 2019 9:08:05 GMT -6
I'm one of those people that got in an accident. Currently have a cracked L3 and L4 vertebrae, hairline fracture in my clavicle and bruised lungs. Cops say I'd be dead if it wasn't for the seatbelt. WEAR YOUR DAMN SEATBELTS! THEY WILL SAVE YOU! Sorry to hear this.... good luck with your recovery |
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Post by mchafin on Nov 12, 2019 9:23:14 GMT -6
And from the sounds of it, Missouri highways aren't much better than they were last night. Hope this isn't a precursor for how things are going to go all winter. Roads are ok... the on/off ramps... bridges...turning lanes...shoulders...are not. woke up this morning to hear on a News/Talk station that MODOT was caught by surprise with this storm. That the afternoon extra snow surprised them. With all due respect, it shouldn't have. NWS should come out swinging, because MODOT threw them under the bus. |
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Nov 12, 2019 9:26:03 GMT -6
MODOT sure seems to be caught by surprise a lot
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Nov 12, 2019 9:29:17 GMT -6
MODOT drops more balls than a little league tournament...no excuse for main arteries to be ice rinks!
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Nov 12, 2019 9:37:25 GMT -6
Looks like things should pick back up around here in a week or so after the atmosphere takes a break from this cold stretch. Strong signal for a trough in the central US in 7 days with the ridge building back up in western Canada.
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Post by Tilawn on Nov 12, 2019 9:47:33 GMT -6
I’m sorry but you all have no clue as to what you’re taking about when it comes to the road conditions. I’d love for some of you all to take a ride for a 12 hour shift in a modot truck and see what it’s all about and hell if you don’t want to do that come ride with me for 16-20 hours and see first hand what myself and they have to deal with every single storm.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Nov 12, 2019 9:51:36 GMT -6
I’m sorry but you all have no clue as to what you’re taking about when it comes to the road conditions. I’d love for some of you all to take a ride for a 12 hour shift in a modot truck and see what it’s all about and hell if you don’t want to do that come ride with me for 16-20 hours and see first hand what myself and they have to deal with every single storm. Respectful question then. How come other areas appear to perform better? Seems like a local news team could interview some places and compare results (% roads covered, duration, accidents, fatalities, budget, etc) Perfect time for such a story |
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Post by scmhack on Nov 12, 2019 9:59:54 GMT -6
I'm one of those people that got in an accident. Currently have a cracked L3 and L4 vertebrae, hairline fracture in my clavicle and bruised lungs. Cops say I'd be dead if it wasn't for the seatbelt. WEAR YOUR DAMN SEATBELTS! THEY WILL SAVE YOU! Glad you are "okay" (relatively speaking). How bad is the car? Total Loss Engine ended up in my passenger seat |
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Post by Tilawn on Nov 12, 2019 10:00:19 GMT -6
I’m sorry but you all have no clue as to what you’re taking about when it comes to the road conditions. I’d love for some of you all to take a ride for a 12 hour shift in a modot truck and see what it’s all about and hell if you don’t want to do that come ride with me for 16-20 hours and see first hand what myself and they have to deal with every single storm. Respectful question then. How come other areas appear to perform better? Seems like a local news team could interview some places and compare results (% roads covered, duration, accidents, fatalities, budget, etc) Perfect time for such a story Referring to locally in the stl metro area? First the storm dropped different types of winter weather in different areas. For example I had a tenth inch of sleet and just 10 miles away they had no sleet hardly at all. Precip type makes a world of difference in battling winter weather. Terrain also is a big factor for each different modot shed not to mention experienced drivers and even having enough drivers. Modot last year was short almost 1800 drivers then what they wanted to have on the roads. And I don’t think it’s any better this year. IMO you can’t compare snow removal capabilities for this area compared to Chicago. Just like one can’t compare Chicago to other places like Boston etc. when areas like those two mentioned get ten fold more snow the process is much different and has a much bigger budget to retain experienced drivers etc. That’s just what comes to mind at this point. |
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Post by ajd446 on Nov 12, 2019 10:11:09 GMT -6
Incredible snowfield on visible satelite. If someone could post. I cant figure it out
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Nov 12, 2019 10:11:53 GMT -6
Respectful question then. How come other areas appear to perform better? Seems like a local news team could interview some places and compare results (% roads covered, duration, accidents, fatalities, budget, etc) Perfect time for such a story Referring to locally in the stl metro area? First the storm dropped different types of winter weather in different areas. For example I had a tenth inch of sleet and just 10 miles away they had no sleet hardly at all. Precip type makes a world of difference in battling winter weather. Terrain also is a big factor for each different modot shed not to mention experienced drivers and even having enough drivers. Modot last year was short almost 1800 drivers then what they wanted to have on the roads. And I don’t think it’s any better this year. IMO you can’t compare snow removal capabilities for this area compared to Chicago. Just like one can’t compare Chicago to other places like Boston etc. when areas like those two mentioned get ten fold more snow the process is much different and has a much bigger budget to retain experienced drivers etc. That’s just what comes to mind at this point. I figured budget would be a primary driver. Thanks for the response |
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Post by cozpregon on Nov 12, 2019 10:21:13 GMT -6
I think it's suffice to compare IDOT 8 (our IL counties) to MODOT 6 (St Louis area)… when it comes to snow/ice removal. Their plan of attack is completely different and it shows. If personnel/budget is the problem then that absolutely needs to be fixed.
I have ridden in MODOT/IDOT/IADOT and WIDOT trucks for storms... it was required in our contract with the states.
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Post by cozpregon on Nov 12, 2019 10:24:25 GMT -6
Incredible snowfield on visible satelite. If someone could post. I cant figure it out  |
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Post by bdgwx on Nov 12, 2019 10:26:31 GMT -6
Incredible snowfield on visible satelite. If someone could post. I cant figure it out  |
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Post by ajd446 on Nov 12, 2019 10:35:31 GMT -6
Thank you
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Post by Labrat-O'Fallon IL on Nov 12, 2019 10:50:08 GMT -6
SCM, sorry about your car, but glad you lived. Take it easy for a while.
99, Sorry to hear about your poor pup. It isn't easy to make that decision.
Got down to about 8 up here, my car didn't warm up until I was almost to work. Gonna go buy some salt this weekend, thought we had some and we are out.
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KMAN
Weather Weenie
Glenarm, IL
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Post by KMAN on Nov 12, 2019 11:45:24 GMT -6
Anybody like to a take a guess when we might approach 60 degrees again? A friend needs a new heat pump and they'd prefer to install when temps were at least in the upper 50's.
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Post by ajd446 on Nov 12, 2019 12:10:46 GMT -6
Noon and 17 im november at lambert. This is sometimes the coldest day we get in a winter. Crazy.
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Post by ElburnDave on Nov 12, 2019 12:26:24 GMT -6
Respectful question then. How come other areas appear to perform better? Seems like a local news team could interview some places and compare results (% roads covered, duration, accidents, fatalities, budget, etc) Perfect time for such a story Referring to locally in the stl metro area? First the storm dropped different types of winter weather in different areas. For example I had a tenth inch of sleet and just 10 miles away they had no sleet hardly at all. Precip type makes a world of difference in battling winter weather. Terrain also is a big factor for each different modot shed not to mention experienced drivers and even having enough drivers. Modot last year was short almost 1800 drivers then what they wanted to have on the roads. And I don’t think it’s any better this year. IMO you can’t compare snow removal capabilities for this area compared to Chicago. Just like one can’t compare Chicago to other places like Boston etc. when areas like those two mentioned get ten fold more snow the process is much different and has a much bigger budget to retain experienced drivers etc. That’s just what comes to mind at this point. Budgets, salt contracts and the EPA don't allow for indiscriminate throwing of salt. Keep in mind how early this event was, too. There's alot of winter to come, and agencies can't expend too much of their alottment before the season even really begins Supplies are finite. WRT the difference between West side vs. East side, I'd say traffic congestion (or lack thereof in Illinois) makes a huge difference on the interstates. Also, from a personal observation, Illinois is very liberal with OT for IDOT truck drivers. |
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Post by cardsnweather on Nov 12, 2019 12:26:49 GMT -6
Amazing how much meting is happening in sun spots even with 20 degree temps. November sun.
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Post by dschreib on Nov 12, 2019 12:52:16 GMT -6
Referring to locally in the stl metro area? First the storm dropped different types of winter weather in different areas. For example I had a tenth inch of sleet and just 10 miles away they had no sleet hardly at all. Precip type makes a world of difference in battling winter weather. Terrain also is a big factor for each different modot shed not to mention experienced drivers and even having enough drivers. Modot last year was short almost 1800 drivers then what they wanted to have on the roads. And I don’t think it’s any better this year. IMO you can’t compare snow removal capabilities for this area compared to Chicago. Just like one can’t compare Chicago to other places like Boston etc. when areas like those two mentioned get ten fold more snow the process is much different and has a much bigger budget to retain experienced drivers etc. That’s just what comes to mind at this point. Budgets, salt contracts and the EPA don't allow for indiscriminate throwing of salt. Keep in mind how early this event was, too. There's alot of winter to come, and agencies can't expend too much of their alottment before the season even really begins Supplies are finite. WRT the difference between West side vs. East side, I'd say traffic congestion (or lack thereof in Illinois) makes a huge difference on the interstates. Also, from a personal observation, Illinois is very liberal with OT for IDOT truck drivers. It's a vicious circle. We'll pay to salt, plow, and create potholes; but we won't pay to fix them. Which is probably also why we shouldn't salt so much in Illinois. The potholes create better traction. |
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Nov 12, 2019 14:38:35 GMT -6
Amazing how much meting is happening in sun spots even with 20 degree temps. November sun. Noticed the same thing. South facing slopes are melting quickly. Meanwhile my driveway facing north and in the shade is solid snow and ice. Also an oddity. Had a maple leaf blow on to the deck overnight; was laying flat on top of the snow this morning. When the sun hit the brown leaf it warmed it and it melted straight down into the 2“ of snow. Made for an interesting look and a bit of thermal science. |
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Nov 12, 2019 15:29:27 GMT -6
No new snow in sight. Should enable the early birds to set up Christmas decorations after the current snow melts in the next few days.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Nov 12, 2019 15:30:02 GMT -6
My xmas lights go up after Thanksgiving.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Nov 12, 2019 15:35:41 GMT -6
What is really amazing.. among many amazing things about this cold...we have gone entire winter seasons without getting this cold before...and it is only November 12th!
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Nov 12, 2019 15:38:01 GMT -6
Approaching 60...i will say mid next week is my guess.
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Post by jmg378s on Nov 12, 2019 15:46:33 GMT -6
Anybody like to a take a guess when we might approach 60 degrees again? A friend needs a new heat pump and they'd prefer to install when temps were at least in the upper 50's. Looks like it might not be until next week, maybe Tuesday/Wednesday with some mid to upper 50s showing up in that timeframe on the global models. Wouldn't bank on it yet though. |
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Nov 12, 2019 15:54:44 GMT -6
My xmas lights go up after Thanksgiving. so do i, and gfs says we should be fine doing that. |
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Post by Jeffmw on Nov 12, 2019 16:25:11 GMT -6
So who is using this mini snow day to check out Disney +. And yes it’s working again.
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Post by ajd446 on Nov 12, 2019 16:31:14 GMT -6
I could see us breaking the record again by midnight and get down to 7 or 8 degrees befor winds pick up
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